Category: group answer

Thoughts on Claire’s dress at the Tony Awards? Let’s just say it wouldn’t have been my choice.

Frangi: There’s no good way to cover a 6-months-pregnant bump for a big night out and there’s nothing more uncomfortable than having to find a dress that allows you and the baby space but doesn’t look like a bin bag or candy box and doesn’t make you collapse from heat. So no pregnant Claire shaming here. 

Sara: If you’re six months pregnant and cool with rocking some silvery pink leopard Valentino, fuckin’ go for it, sister! (I try to read Go Fug Yourself and Tom & Lorenzo after awards like these and was surprised that they were both kinda into it? Go figure!) 

Sara (updated this morning): I’m way more interested in talking about what she wore to the Public Theater Gala last night…. I think this is a red jumpsuit under that black overcoat. She is typically a goob and Hugh and his wayward curl are looking at her like “you are such a goob.” 

Ashley: God I want just a series of Claire’s silly outfits.

Sara: Remind me in a week.  

Group ask! I love the tv show recommendations for things that won’t ruin your life. do you have any book recommendations? Looking for summer reading. Thank you in advance!

Ashley: Books are a little bit tougher than tv series for me, because they’re more personal. Here are some of my faves, though. A Trip to the Stars by Nicholas Christopher is the last book I stayed up until 4am reading — and you should know by now how big a deal that is for me. If you’re into mysteries, my current fave is Encore by Alexis Koetting; it’s so topsy turvy that I never had any idea what was going on. Scarlett Thomas’s book, The End of Mr. Y, is a hell of a thinker, but incredibly cool. Devil in the White City, by Erik Larson, is nonfiction and wicked fascinating.

And I’d be remiss if I didn’t recommend Howard Gordon’s books, Hard Target and Gideon’s War. Like everything else HG does, they’re really fun and thrilling. 

Sara: I don’t read as much as I want to, but my fabulous mother does and she’s been bugging me for weeks to read The Power. I haven’t yet. I now have a long ass commute (2+ hours daily), so I think I’m going to listen to it. 


Julie
: I don’t have much time for reading because of so many hobbies. That’s why I started audio books–so I could multitask. The last books I read were the series of forensic anthropologist David Hunter by Simon Beckett. And currently I am listening to the thrillers of Andreas Gruber and Chris Carter.

Gail: I like to rotate between fun/lighter books and more serious stuff. Currently, I am reading the Crazy Rich Asians trilogy by Kevin Kwan. It’s funny, filled with lots of FASHUN and super interesting family dynamics. I’d definitely recommend it (I just finished book 2). The first book has been turned into a movie that is coming out in July–here is the link for the movie trailer.

Alex Gansa has previously talked about how Valerie Plame (a former covert CIA officer) was a source of inspiration for Carrie’s character. She has written two spy thrillers, Burned and Blowback, based on a (blonde) female covert ops CIA agent, Vanessa Pierson (who has a secret on again/off again relationship with a fellow agent who just happens to be tall, dark and handsome, tee hee), as she tries to track down the latest international threat. I’d highly recommend those for anyone who likes a good spy thriller.

But next up on my list after I finish the trilogy is Ronan Farrow’s new book, War on Peace… I cannot wait to dive into that!

Rank the finales from most to least traumatic, please? Thank you!

Frangi: This is Homeland. All finales are traumatic in one way or another. But seeing Quinn dying twice is a close call with Carrie being totally off the rocker. But seeing Brody dangling from a crane – well, as I said, it’s Homeland…

Sara: from most to least traumatic… 7 > 1 > 6 > 3 > 5 > 2 > 4

Julie: I’m not traumatized at all. I watch for these intense moments. I think season 6 was the most disappointing one because Quinn died from two shoulder wounds.

Gail: I’m with Frangi. It wouldn’t be Homeland if they didn’t make it hurt. From most to least for me… 6, 1, 3, 5, 7, 2, 4.

Group ask: now the seventh season is over, how would you guys rank the seasons from best to worst?

Julie: I’d say it come at the same level like season 4. 2, 1, 4, 7, 3, 5, 6

Frangi: 4, 1, 3, 2 – and then it’s getting difficult. If season 5 and 6 had led to any different outcome or any greater plot resolution in season 7 I’d be willing to forgive some shortcomings or pay tribute to the seasons upping the stakes. But they didn’t. But on the other hand, they had a lot of Quinn. But if it’s about the overall narrative, my list would continue with 7, 5, 6.

Gail: I’d rank them 4, 2, 3, 7, 1, 5, 6 – I actually didn’t love season 1. Season 2 is where I was truly sold. 

Sara: I agree with Julie. Season 7 and season 4 are equally good in my eyes. 1 > 4 = 7 > 2 > 3 > 5 >>>>>>>>>>>> 6

Ashley: Sara’s math checks out.

If I remember correctly Gansa & Co. said that Quinn will be mourned or his death will have an impact or something like that. Up to this point, do you think they kept their word? Do you think they did enough or not?

Sara: I believe what Gansa said was that Quinn would color Carrie’s every thought, and I think given her sharp decline and downward spiral this year, without him, that is what happened. She was utterly alone, fell into a relationship (with Dante) where she was used and manipulated, suffered a complete psychotic breakdown, and then had to pull herself up out of it. 

I was never expecting a flashback or a funeral or even a graveside scene, so the fact that (thus far) there hasn’t been that… it doesn’t bother me (then again, I never watched the show for him, so I didn’t need to see those things). I think his presence in how he “colored Carrie’s thoughts” was felt in more subtle ways (the show’s treatment of his absence this year feels similar to me to how they treated Brody’s in season four).

Quinn was Carrie’s safety net–subconsciously, at least–for many years and IMO she needed to make shitty decisions and feel the consequences in order to learn to live without his constant offer to save her from herself. That’s growth.

Frangi: I don’t think there‘s anything they could do that would feel enough after all they did and didn’t do in season 6, so I didn’t have high expectations. Carrie always internalized most of her feelings, and so it’s up to us to ponder whether we think she is grieving or not, and if she is, if it’s for a friend or for someone she loved. There’s the shrink scene and that gave some insight into Carrie’s state of mind and I found that well done. 

What really does bother me is that it comes down to Christine Lonas out of all people to mention Quinn‘s name–so unrelated to the question of whether Carrie is grieving or not (I think she is), I don’t think the show in general did do enough to honor Quinn’s importance in Carrie‘s life. But honestly, I didn’t expect them to after the clusterfuck of how they handled Quinn‘s departure all year long. Using Quinn footage in the opening credits feels rather cheap to me, especially after how they handled his absence during the first eleven episodes of the season. The subtle presence of–or, rather, the gaping void left by–his absence was once again only told via its effect on Carrie, so once more he wasn’t remembered for who he was but only for who Carrie is or isn’t when he‘s not around. But coming back to your question: I think they showed the impact his absence has. Most of what kicked off the events of season 7 wouldn’t have been possible with him being around, because he would always go to great lengths to keep Carrie safe. No car trunk drugs, no bankruptcy to finance an off-book operation, no sex pawn for the troll, and maybe even not all the courtroom drama that led to Carrie giving up Franny last week. 

ETA after 7.12: And now I want Quinn to come back from wherever and kick Yevgeny to hell.

I just sent in (as an Anon) an idea for the “Carrie Mathison” cocktail. Having just posted a similar request for a “Peter Quinn” cocktail over at FMRF, I now think the official HL drink(s) should be a “Carrie Mathison” with a “shooter”.

Ok, here’s the first ask:

Just read an article in USA Today about what the cast of Handmaid’s Tale drinks when watching the show. Two questions for you all: 1) What do you drink when watching HL? 2) Do you think we should come up with an official HL cocktail? The Carrie Mathison? It should definitely have something “shaken”, poured “on the rocks”, and served with a “twist”. Maybe in a “hurricane” glass? Ideas?

Sara: I drink wine while watching Homeland. Red or white, depends on how I’m feeling. White puts me in a Carrie Mathison mood. Red is probably what I prefer though. 

My Carrie Mathison cocktail would be like a Moscow Mule, because she loves gingers. But I’d use silver tequila instead of vodka, because that’s her favorite. 

Gail: I usually have a glass of wine while watching Homeland–red or white usually depends on the weather (red for cold, rainy days, white for warmer, sunny days) and what I had for dinner.

My Carrie Mathison cocktail would be a dirty Grey Goose martini with blue cheese stuffed olives. Dirty because Carrie is a mess, but Grey Goose because she’s not here to fuck around. A martini because she’s James Bond-like. The blue cheese stuffed olives would be to make sure she ate something and also because I love them. 


Julie
: I drink water when I watch late at night or ☕ watching it in early mornings before work. Can’t help with the 🍹. I don’t drink them, sorry!

Frangi: I usually watch either Monday morning (I‘m based in Europe) during my commute to work, so then it’s coffee, or Monday evening, then it’s wine. But I do like cocktails. A Carrie Mathison wouldn’t be a sweet one, more a strong and sour drink, with a tang of bittersweetness. This one here is from Downton Abbey, it’s Mr. Bates’ drink:

  • 1 ounce Amaro Nonino
  • 1 ounce Pedro Ximenez Sherry
  • Orange bitters
  • Orange peel

Group ask: If you could write a scene in the seasons that we had so far that you would have wanted to see although it wouldn’t have changed the story, what kind of scene would it be?

Frangi: Great question. Only one? But how do I know if “my” scene would change the story or not without seeing how the story unfolds after my scene? I always wanted a scene in which Carrie Comes home from Tehran after Brody’s death and a) Quinn picks her up from the airport and b) Carrie goes to Jessica and tells her Brody died while Quinn waits for her in the car. And in season 6, I wanted a scene in which Carrie tells Quinn how much it means to her that he survived. Not even as a potential love interest or to spark of a romance, just his person telling him that he is needed and loved. Oh, and I was always hoping for Julia to come back for a Brief appearance after she saw the Berlin video. And: Carrie touching Quinn in the car in 6.12. (and now you know why I still write fanfic, because my mind starts Spinning right away when I think about those scenes). Oh, and Mira kicking Saul’s sorry ass out of the house. Lockhart’s wife making lasagna and telling her husband to behave and not use any f* words during the wake.

Gail: I have a thousand scenes I wish would have happened – but pretty much the entire list would’ve changed the story in some way. Lockhart is one of my favorite characters – and looking back I wish we would’ve had a scene at Frank’s funeral where he and Saul were in line to use the bathroom and had a convo commiserating about what life is like when working with Carrie. A funny quip from Lockhart and a knowing smirk from Saul would’ve made my day. 

Ashley: I’ve always wanted to see Mira kicking Saul to the curb. I know it sounds like I’m ripping Frangi off, but, like, I have been a vocal advocate of MIRA IS TOO GOOD FOR SAUL BERENSON for my entire life. The End.

Sara: I would have written a flashback that showed the affair between Estes and Carrie. That relationship fascinates me. And I miss David Harewood a lot.

Group question: do you see (plotwise) any possibilities of tieing all the seasons together in season 8 (javadi, mole agency (sorry still believ that),Haqqani, season 6 clusterfuck, Franni, the Russians etc..) and if Yes can you all share your insight?

Ashley: Nope.

Gail: Ha ha ha – Ashley! I agree – there is no way they are going to tie everything up in Season 8 – at least not to everyone’s satisfaction. It wouldn’t really be Homeland if they did, right? I definitely think we’ll get some closure – just not sure how much or how satisfactory it will be…

Julie: Uhm, no. I think S8 will be some kind of restart as there will be a time jump after S7. A whole new life in a different country! 😉

Sara: In terms of the plot? No. In terms of Carrie’s overall journey? They better. 

Can we start a petition to beg the writers for more seasons ?

Ashley: Not unless season nine goes full-tilt relaxation/recovery-mode for Carrie Mathison. Episode 9.01 — Carrie gets a massage. Episode 9.02 — Carrie goes to yoga. Episode 9.03 — Carrie goes hiking. Episode 9.04 — Carrie goes to the beach. Episode 9.05 — Carrie and Franny have a picnic. Episode 9.06 — Carrie meditates. Episode 9.07 — Carrie goes to group therapy. Episode 9:08 — Carrie runs a 10k. Episode 9.09 — Carrie and Maggie have a spa day. Episode 9.10 — Carrie sleeps in. Episode 9.11 — Carrie stays up all night so that she can watch the sun rise. Episode 9.12 — Carrie takes a candlelit bath and goes to bed early.


Julie:
I have nothing to add to Ashley’s 👌 suggestions. This sounds like having a real life.

Gail: I love a good spy show – so if they felt like they had story to tell and could cultivate interesting plot lines and give us a strong cast, I’d definitely be open to checking it out. I don’t know if I have the enthusiasm to beg them to do it though…ask me again during Season 8. 

Sara: My friend, I need a petition to make sure there are NOT more seasons of this hellscape TV series. I’m almost free. So close!! So. Close.

Frangi: Only if they bring Quinn back and he joins all the fun stuff Ashley suggested. And maybe some more fun stuff.

4 films that define me: Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner, Gandhi, Out of Africa, All the President’s Men. I tag Sydney, Frangi, Laura, Cherry. And over at HYH, Sara, Ashley, Gail. (So sorry if I left someone out. Please don’t take it personally.)

Frangi: Beyond the Silence, Gone with the Wind, 21 Grams, Mystic River

Sydney:  Sense and Sensibility, Star Wars (A New Hope), When Harry Met Sally, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

Cherry: The Godfather (Part One), Schindler’s List, Oliver! (the Lionel Bart musical), Captain Correlli’s Mandolin

Laura:  GOONIES, TRAINING DAY, CITY OF GOD, SPLENDOR IN THE GRASS

Inchy:  The Sound of Music, Star Wars (A New Hope), Steel Magnolias, Last of the Mohicans

Tag, HYH gals! You’re it!