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Sara, Ashley, et al. Did you watch Strange Angel? Any thoughts?

(Sara and Ashley didn’t, but Frangi did! Here is what she has to say about it.)

F: I watched and did enjoy it a lot. I’ll be honest: If Rupert hadn’t been in it, I’d probably never have watched it. But I’m glad I did, because it is a beautifully composed show with wonderful cinematography and some fine actors. 

The story is a little weird and starts as a very slow burn. Sadly, the main character (Jack Parsons) is a self-centered asshole and it’s difficult to root for him… but some of the female characters have very interesting roles and arcs in the story and Rupert’s character, Ernest, is a fascinating guy. 

I don’t think the show would be renewed if it were a network show but I hope CBS will give it a second season in order to build up their own library of original series. Season 1 ends on a cliffhanger for both Jack Reynor’s Jack Parsons and Rupert’s character Ernest, and I’d love to see what will happen next. 

What did bother me is the use of nudity in the show: you’ll see a lot of naked women, appropriate for a show which labels itself as “sex magick,” but no equal display of nudity for any male character which I find rather misogynist. 

We have beautiful gif sets and all episode summaries over on FMRF so come and have a look if you want to know more.

Soooo… Anyone seen any good movies lately? Read any good books? I recently watched “Hunt for the Wilderpeople” (in theaters a while back). One of the best movies I’ve seen in recent years!! Kind of a comedy drama. Sam Neill is amazing! Looking forward to “Crazy, Rich Asians”. Hated the new “Mission: Impossible”.

Sara: I’ve been trying to watch more movies recently… 

Recent viewings:

  • Million Dollar Baby: depressing af but very good, also what happened to Hilary Swank
  • Ex Machina: soooooo good, Alicia Vikander is a goddess 
  • Gone Baby Gone: had to turn on subtitles to understand the Boston accents
  • The Departed: had to turn on subtitles to understand the Boston accents, also Matt Damon can go away PERMANENTLY
  • Jurassic Park: scary af… don’t fuck with dinosaurs
  • The Constant Gardener: oishk…. Ralph Fiennes is such a good actor and Rachel Weisz is perfection
  • A Most Violent Year: Jessica Chastain in this movie is a real mood.

Send me your recs! Bonus points if they’re on Netflix, Hulu, or Amazon Prime.

Frangi:
I saw Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri and Call Me By Your Name just recently in summer open-air movie events (we’ve had the best summer in ages here), and The Darkest Hour in a normal cinema. I might watch The Post with Meryl Streep soon, even if only for nostalgic reasons. But for the upcoming weekend I just bought tickets for The Square, open air again.

Going to ask again, has CD or anyone else from HL uttered the name Quinn or RF during the media rounds post S7?

I have to admit that I took a break from following the media at some point toward the end of the season, so my overview might not be complete, but as far as I followed here’s what we got:

Alex Gansa in Dec 2017: “Quinn colors Carrie’s every thought

Morgan Spector in March 2018:

“I was really impressed with Rupert Friend’s performance. It was an extremely demanding season for him and I thought he was incredible. I think Quinn was a character that fans became attached to, myself included, over the course of the six seasons and there was a sense of, ‘I know this person and they are part of my imaginary life in some way.’ You can’t develop that over the course of a few episodes. He was a wonderful character and I think he afforded the show an opportunity to really portray the human cost of the war on terror and what it has done to some American soldiers and to many, many more people in the countries affected by it.” (x)

Lesli Linka Glatter in June 2018:

“I’m always the one who ends up directing the scenes where we kill the ones we love.” (This was last week’s Emmy FYC Event, we posted some clips here.)

Mandy Patinkin spoke very warmly about Rupert during his speech at the Walk of Fame ceremony back in February, calling him “a gift to Homeland” (quoting from my memory).

And maybe the most beautiful words were said in our HYH “On the Record With…” interview series. You can find all interviews here, and here are two great satements about Rupert:

Maury Sterling in April 2018:

“As for working with Rupert, he is a royal pain in the ass whom I miss. 😉 I loved working with Rupert. He is a talented son of a gun.” (x)

Claire and McKenna Keane in May 2018:

“Who’s Rupert? Oh, you mean Quinn… because that’s what we called him on and off set. We miss working with him so much. He would carry us from our dressing room to set when it was time to shoot our scenes. And sometimes it took us a long time to get back into character between takes because he had us laughing so hard.” (x)

The lack of a proper send off spoke volumes–as we have said so many times, over and over again. 

These interviews are not as many as we wished for–but could it ever be enough when a beloved character leaves? Is there anything that would have felt right and enough? I doubt that.

Honestly, I didn’t expect them to be more vocal about Quinn/Rupert during season 7. They made the choices they made for season 6 and were radio silent about it, to a maddening extent, so why would they change that attitude when approaching a new season? And even more so, why would they talk about him after a successful season 7, the first season without him?

That’s sad and frustrating but I stopped spending too much energy on it. Look at the BTS pics of Rupert and his colleges at the set of Strange Angel and you’ll see a team that looks much happier together than what we saw from Homeland in season 6. And keep Quinn in your heart as a once-in-a-lifetime character who affected you deeply and profoundly. That’s what I do (and that’s why I still write fan fic).

And one last thing: it’s okay to move on and leave Homeland behind if it is no longer giving you what you are looking for. Losing Quinn has been tough for many of us and it’s okay to move on if it’s not enjoyable for you without him.

I think more and more that they are setting up Anson as the new Quinn. In a CQ parallel, he even said “I’m not gonna leave you”, which is similar to what C said to Q after he was shot in S5. I could see Anson back next season.

Anything could happen in season 8. If I had to make a guess, I’d say James d’Arcy at least has an option for season 8 so they can bring him back if they decide so. We don’t know that much yet about season 8, just that it will be set abroad and that it will be Claire’s and hence Carrie’s last season. So we assume they’ll try to come full circle, Gansa’s been dreaming about an Israel plot for quite some time now, and I don’t know how much room that will leave for developing new-ish and deepened relationships. Quinn’s been around for five seasons and we haven’t seen that much of Anson yet, but he clearly cares about Carrie and wants her to be okay. That doesn’t make him a new Quinn, but maybe an ally and friend Carrie desperately needs, especially now.

I didn’t like the ending- why the opening credits with Quinn and not only a goodbye from Carrie – hey he saved her life last year- nothing not even a remembering… you could think they were so angry about that protest of the Quinn Fans to show nothing about him not even a farewell!

I didn’t like the ending of the finale for many reasons and for once it was not so much about Quinn’s absence but solely because of what they did with Carrie. That statement coming from me is something because I missed Quinn deeply all season long.

For whatever went south in 2017 and during season six and when Rupert left Homeland, I think (though I don’t agree with all of it) that Alex Gansa, in his very own world, thinks they did honor Quinn a lot. For the first time, we got opening credits focusing solely on Carrie’s state of mind and mental illness (which, in hindsight, told us a LOT about the season from the very first second), and Quinn is in these scenes a lot. Carrie always internalized her emotions–with Quinn and after losing him. 

As the season evolves Quinn is mentioned twice more or less directly, by Carrie’s therapist and by Christine Lonas, and both occasions don’t feel sufficient. But what would feel sufficient and enough?

I think his absence was felt in a lot of scenes, especially in the beginning of the season when Carrie is so lonely and lost that she fell for Dante’s bullshit. And I think it’s exactly what you mention that set Carrie off on her self-chosen mission in the premiere: Quinn died protecting a president who didn’t prove herself worthy of the office and Carrie couldn’t let that stand.

Of course this is not what we as fans of a beloved character hope for. But would we feel better if we saw a grave or a tombstone?

The more time passes, the more I think the window of time to honor the character with any kind of goodbye was last season/year, or at least much earlier in this season, but not in the last episode.

Wow, they really changed things up for this season finale by not killing Quinn again. :D But seriously, I did like that they didn’t kill as many people in this finale. Enjoyed the suspense of the race to the plane and Carrie’s capture. Liked Keane’s speech and the rivalry between Carrie and Yevgeny. The very end was heartbreaking, but at least she’s alive and we know she’ll be on her meds in the next season. For once I’m not grieving after a finale ha!

I agree with a lot of what you say about the episode in general–and yet I felt like I was sitting in the passenger seat of a car during the Russian parts of the episode: The driver keeps hitting the accelerator while the road is blocked and I know he does it deliberately and it will end badly. And as hard as I try to close my eyes and not watch, when we finally crash into the wall I do feel the impact with my whole body.

It’s no secret that I am the one here having a hard time with a lot of Carrie’s choices this season, but right now I am grieving and still shaken to the bones from what happened to her. So, yes, she is alive. But that’s all.

Tell me Quinn is alive…Tell me he will help her somehow….Tell me someone is going to make sure that she is gonna be okay….I just….oh God….why do I even bother watching this show? It only gives us SO MUCH pain :( :( I can’t put Carrie’s face out of my mind… Are u guys okay?

No, we are not. But we are working on getting back on track. I (Frangi) watched this morning and started crying in minute 18 and had to hide in a Starbucks at the train station to be able to go to work after some time.

At this juncture, after the last seconds of the finale, I have no idea how Carrie will come back from this. I just hope she’ll be brought to receive the appropriate treatment and care and will get a chance to heal to whatever degree possible.

Let’s just say Quinn’s will to keep Carrie safe would have interfered with the S7 storyline a lot. So much of what we saw was only possible because he wasn’t there at the beginning of the season.

But the way things played out in Moscow, there wasn’t much anyone could do.

I guess we’ll all need a few days now, and then we’ll have an extra long hiatus to ponder whether Carrie will be okay. My only mantra right now is Gansa saying over and over again that it’s Carrie’s show, so she’ll survive that.

And for season 8 they have the cleanest slate possible now. They can do anything.

Which brings me to your mentioning of Quinn: Quinnspiracy-wise, the episode didn’t rule out that he could be back. And I really really want Carrie to have someone at her side who is there for her for whatever is going to come now. And I don’t even say that as a CQ shipper, I just want her to get a chance to heal. 

Did anybody here expect to have more mentions of Quinn? Or was it only me?

I was always feeling divided when it came to the question of mentioning/honoring Quinn. Because of course it’s not enough. But what would be enough?

So I think it’s up to each of us if we feel what was there was sufficient or not and maybe it’ll take some time to let it all sink in.

A part of me was longing for closure and a glimpse into how Carrie honored Quinn, whether it was a visit to his grave, a conversation with Maggie or Max (preferably Max), a sip of whisky and the letter on her nightstand. But I didn’t really expect any of this. And a part of me was dreading these scenarios because I know it would never be what I was hoping for.

Arguably, his absence was what kicked off many of the plots of the first episodes when we see Carrie more or less in free fall and all alone. This does say a lot about how important he was to her, IMHO.

Haven’t watched the finale yet, but read summary online. Didn’t Mandy just say in an interview that S7 ends “optimistically”? WTF?

He did. And having been on this roller coster of a show for some time now, Gail and I just yesterday spoke about not wanting to be too optimistic and keeping our expectations low. 

So I think Mandy was referring to the Keane plot. The elected president who was removed from office unrightfully, via conspiracy and treason, was actually reinstalled, so once more democracy won. Her speech was basically an elaborated version of T. S. Eliot’s poem The Hollow Men:

This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.

And once more, American democracy–its institutions and some honorable men and women–fought this end, once more successfully. And I dare to say, we haven’t seen the outcome of the current dark times for democracy in real life yet. But Mandy being Mandy, and the decent human being he is with all the great work he does for refugees, was referring to the greater good without taking into account that we as the audience would be shellshocked by Carrie’s fate.

She’s alive. That’s the only optimistic sentence I have with regard to Carrie. And that’s not enough.

maybe it’s me, but one of my first thoughts post-ep last night was “ok, what WAS the new meds, specifically?” because the writers spent a whole lot of early time on the treatment REGIMEN aspect of the Crazy Carrie plot, and yet that aspect never reaches a conclusion. If the Lithium stopped working, what change was made after the ECT (especially since she went straight to Russia afterward) and how did Yevgeny know what that change was?

We don’t know what the new meds are but we do know that Yevgeny’s speciality is to sneak around in hospitals and medical facilities. So we are meant to believe he knows what Carrie now is supposed to take.

It doesn’t make sense because the lucid and calm state we see Carrie in in 7.11 and 7.12 is still the effect of the ECT treatment. Finding a new medical treatment for Carrie post-ECT (and post-lithium) would take several weeks of trial and error under close supervision while avoiding all other triggers. So, a regular sleep pattern, no substance abuse, no traveling, being home-based and close to her doctor. Carrie only went to Russia because it was planned to be a short mission and the ECT effect would keep her balanced long enough.

Watching Carrie in the initial scene with Yevgeny and the pill bottle made me think she knows all this and will never agree because a) she is Carrie and would never do that; b) she knows even if she agrees there is no guarantee she will get her meds the next day or the next week; and c) maybe she knows he can’t give her the right meds anyway. Because even she doesn’t know yet what her new med cocktail will be. But c) doesn’t fit with her trying to get Aleksandr to get her the pills, so I think it’s just another HL inaccuracy.