Author: frangipaniflower001

let me try it a different way…i just finished the horrible season 6 finale. i could have forgiven all of the many holes and loose ends, but not Peter Quinn’s death. i’m done with it; but i do have questions for ALL of you. they will be in next “ask”

1. did you feel the same emotion about the show after season 6? 2. what was the purpose of the max scene?? 3. creaking of the floor? 4.when dar asks Saul about checking in on a fellow at GW, do any of you think there is any chance the fellow could be Quinn?

Sara: I can sense you’re looking for some kind of validation from those of us here, for someone to tell you that Quinn is alive. That there must be some sort of reason behind the sloppy storytelling. There’s no reason. It was just bad storytelling. The character is dead. I apologize for being blunt, but we’ve literally been fielding questions about this, about the GW professor, about the creak in the stair, about Quinn’s “safe place,” for two years now. 

I encourage you to explore the April 2017 archives or maybe the FAQ where we give answers to common S6 questions. The headspace reflected in the answers there is a lot more similar to yours right now than anyone’s around here. 

To answer your questions:

1. Yes, I felt season six was a pile of trash. From start to finish.  

2. The purpose of the Max scene was to show that the media tried to spin a narrative about Quinn being a “super hero” that stripped him of his elemental humanity and also SURPRISE! Quinn carried around a picture of Carrie for years, which is enough to break Carrie once and for all, after Saul says she’s not acknowledged his death. 

3. Carrie lived in an old ass Brookyln brownstone and she felt figuratively haunted by Quinn’s memory there. In other words: ~symbolism, not a sign.

4. Quinn is not David Exley. Quinn is dead. 

Also, not that you asked, but season seven is about 854,000 times better than season six and a not-insignificant part of that IMO is the lifted weight from the writers’ shoulders of not having to write for a character they really didn’t know how to write or give a shit about. But different strokes and all that jazz. 

Gail:  Here is a link to an article published by TVLine in the fall of 2017 about Rupert Friend not returning and LLG confirming Quinn’s death. Many of us were devastated when it happened, so we get where you are coming from. In addition to what Sara wrote above, you should also check out the #quinnspiracy2k17 tag. Now that I’m almost 2 years post the season 6 finale debacle, watched season 7, read every interview done about the show, I have to co-sign Sara’s answer above. She’s giving it to you straight and it’s tough to swallow, but I think it’s the truth. In my fiction, Quinn is alive and secretly living just off camera, keeping watch over Carrie and Franny. But that’s fic–I don’t see any scenario where he is back on the actual show unless in a flashback capacity.

Frangi: I was hoping for Quinn’s return from the death for a long time after season 6, but after season 7 I don’t see any way how this should play out. Personally I cannot imagine any satisfying storyline how to make this happen in a meaningful, credible way which would also do the character any justice. It’s a truth which took me a long time to accept so I feel where you are coming from but I think Sara outlined the many reasons why Quinn won’t come back and why the writers took the story elsewhere perfectly.

let me try it a different way…i just finished the horrible season 6 finale. i could have forgiven all of the many holes and loose ends, but not Peter Quinn’s death. i’m done with it; but i do have questions for ALL of you. they will be in next “ask”

1. did you feel the same emotion about the show after season 6? 2. what was the purpose of the max scene?? 3. creaking of the floor? 4.when dar asks Saul about checking in on a fellow at GW, do any of you think there is any chance the fellow could be Quinn?

Sara: I can sense you’re looking for some kind of validation from those of us here, for someone to tell you that Quinn is alive. That there must be some sort of reason behind the sloppy storytelling. There’s no reason. It was just bad storytelling. The character is dead. I apologize for being blunt, but we’ve literally been fielding questions about this, about the GW professor, about the creak in the stair, about Quinn’s “safe place,” for two years now. 

I encourage you to explore the April 2017 archives or maybe the FAQ where we give answers to common S6 questions. The headspace reflected in the answers there is a lot more similar to yours right now than anyone’s around here. 

To answer your questions:

1. Yes, I felt season six was a pile of trash. From start to finish.  

2. The purpose of the Max scene was to show that the media tried to spin a narrative about Quinn being a “super hero” that stripped him of his elemental humanity and also SURPRISE! Quinn carried around a picture of Carrie for years, which is enough to break Carrie once and for all, after Saul says she’s not acknowledged his death. 

3. Carrie lived in an old ass Brookyln brownstone and she felt figuratively haunted by Quinn’s memory there. In other words: ~symbolism, not a sign.

4. Quinn is not David Exley. Quinn is dead. 

Also, not that you asked, but season seven is about 854,000 times better than season six and a not-insignificant part of that IMO is the lifted weight from the writers’ shoulders of not having to write for a character they really didn’t know how to write or give a shit about. But different strokes and all that jazz. 

Gail:  Here is a link to an article published by TVLine in the fall of 2017 about Rupert Friend not returning and LLG confirming Quinn’s death. Many of us were devastated when it happened, so we get where you are coming from. In addition to what Sara wrote above, you should also check out the #quinnspiracy2k17 tag. Now that I’m almost 2 years post the season 6 finale debacle, watched season 7, read every interview done about the show, I have to co-sign Sara’s answer above. She’s giving it to you straight and it’s tough to swallow, but I think it’s the truth. In my fiction, Quinn is alive and secretly living just off camera, keeping watch over Carrie and Franny. But that’s fic–I don’t see any scenario where he is back on the actual show unless in a flashback capacity.

Frangi: I was hoping for Quinn’s return from the death for a long time after season 6, but after season 7 I don’t see any way how this should play out. Personally I cannot imagine any satisfying storyline how to make this happen in a meaningful, credible way which would also do the character any justice. It’s a truth which took me a long time to accept so I feel where you are coming from but I think Sara outlined the many reasons why Quinn won’t come back and why the writers took the story elsewhere perfectly.

Group ask: Homeland has never failed to shock me with their finales. What would be the most surprising end to this series for you?

Sara: Carrie lives and Saul dies. 

Ashley: A Newhart-style finale where Angela Chase wakes up from a terrible dream.

Sara: Ok now I want Ashley’s ending. Just de-age Claire 30 years with 3 half ponys!!!!

Frangi: Quinn comes back. Carrie finds balance between private life and professional calling.

Julie: Carrie survives the end of the show.

Gail: A finale that shows Carrie living happily ever after. Also, Ashley’s ending.

Sara, Ashley, et al. Did you watch Strange Angel? Any thoughts?

(Sara and Ashley didn’t, but Frangi did! Here is what she has to say about it.)

F: I watched and did enjoy it a lot. I’ll be honest: If Rupert hadn’t been in it, I’d probably never have watched it. But I’m glad I did, because it is a beautifully composed show with wonderful cinematography and some fine actors. 

The story is a little weird and starts as a very slow burn. Sadly, the main character (Jack Parsons) is a self-centered asshole and it’s difficult to root for him… but some of the female characters have very interesting roles and arcs in the story and Rupert’s character, Ernest, is a fascinating guy. 

I don’t think the show would be renewed if it were a network show but I hope CBS will give it a second season in order to build up their own library of original series. Season 1 ends on a cliffhanger for both Jack Reynor’s Jack Parsons and Rupert’s character Ernest, and I’d love to see what will happen next. 

What did bother me is the use of nudity in the show: you’ll see a lot of naked women, appropriate for a show which labels itself as “sex magick,” but no equal display of nudity for any male character which I find rather misogynist. 

We have beautiful gif sets and all episode summaries over on FMRF so come and have a look if you want to know more.

Going to ask again, has CD or anyone else from HL uttered the name Quinn or RF during the media rounds post S7?

I have to admit that I took a break from following the media at some point toward the end of the season, so my overview might not be complete, but as far as I followed here’s what we got:

Alex Gansa in Dec 2017: “Quinn colors Carrie’s every thought

Morgan Spector in March 2018:

“I was really impressed with Rupert Friend’s performance. It was an extremely demanding season for him and I thought he was incredible. I think Quinn was a character that fans became attached to, myself included, over the course of the six seasons and there was a sense of, ‘I know this person and they are part of my imaginary life in some way.’ You can’t develop that over the course of a few episodes. He was a wonderful character and I think he afforded the show an opportunity to really portray the human cost of the war on terror and what it has done to some American soldiers and to many, many more people in the countries affected by it.” (x)

Lesli Linka Glatter in June 2018:

“I’m always the one who ends up directing the scenes where we kill the ones we love.” (This was last week’s Emmy FYC Event, we posted some clips here.)

Mandy Patinkin spoke very warmly about Rupert during his speech at the Walk of Fame ceremony back in February, calling him “a gift to Homeland” (quoting from my memory).

And maybe the most beautiful words were said in our HYH “On the Record With…” interview series. You can find all interviews here, and here are two great satements about Rupert:

Maury Sterling in April 2018:

“As for working with Rupert, he is a royal pain in the ass whom I miss. 😉 I loved working with Rupert. He is a talented son of a gun.” (x)

Claire and McKenna Keane in May 2018:

“Who’s Rupert? Oh, you mean Quinn… because that’s what we called him on and off set. We miss working with him so much. He would carry us from our dressing room to set when it was time to shoot our scenes. And sometimes it took us a long time to get back into character between takes because he had us laughing so hard.” (x)

The lack of a proper send off spoke volumes–as we have said so many times, over and over again. 

These interviews are not as many as we wished for–but could it ever be enough when a beloved character leaves? Is there anything that would have felt right and enough? I doubt that.

Honestly, I didn’t expect them to be more vocal about Quinn/Rupert during season 7. They made the choices they made for season 6 and were radio silent about it, to a maddening extent, so why would they change that attitude when approaching a new season? And even more so, why would they talk about him after a successful season 7, the first season without him?

That’s sad and frustrating but I stopped spending too much energy on it. Look at the BTS pics of Rupert and his colleges at the set of Strange Angel and you’ll see a team that looks much happier together than what we saw from Homeland in season 6. And keep Quinn in your heart as a once-in-a-lifetime character who affected you deeply and profoundly. That’s what I do (and that’s why I still write fan fic).

And one last thing: it’s okay to move on and leave Homeland behind if it is no longer giving you what you are looking for. Losing Quinn has been tough for many of us and it’s okay to move on if it’s not enjoyable for you without him.

Re Anon thinking they’ll parallel Carrie in S8 with Q in S6, I totally see this happening. In fact let’s start calling her Carrie 2.0. Remember when Astrid said to Q in their walk in the woods that Q talked more? Q: “Bad thing?” A: “No. I like it.” Maybe C 2.0 will finally be a more sympathetic person, able to talk about her feelings, be able to love, be able to be a better mother AND sister. Now, if we can just get C2.0 together with Q2.0. 🙏🙏🙏

I think the better analogy for what you’re describing is Brody in season one, not Quinn in season six. By all indications, Brody’s personality was more strongly altered by what happened to him than Quinn’s personality. This was evident in the way his family talked about/around him.

Re: what Carrie will be like in season eight, specifically… I’m not holding my breath for a huge personality shift toward more … societally/culturally acceptable qualities (which are all the ones you listed). Part of what makes Carrie so wonderful and so wonderfully infuriating is that she bucks those kinds of norms and does it mostly without apology (the show, too). If they went and changed her personality in the huge and extreme ways you describe, I’d actually be kinda pissed. Not least because it would be because of an experience we as the audience never even got to see. 

I think more and more that they are setting up Anson as the new Quinn. In a CQ parallel, he even said “I’m not gonna leave you”, which is similar to what C said to Q after he was shot in S5. I could see Anson back next season.

Anything could happen in season 8. If I had to make a guess, I’d say James d’Arcy at least has an option for season 8 so they can bring him back if they decide so. We don’t know that much yet about season 8, just that it will be set abroad and that it will be Claire’s and hence Carrie’s last season. So we assume they’ll try to come full circle, Gansa’s been dreaming about an Israel plot for quite some time now, and I don’t know how much room that will leave for developing new-ish and deepened relationships. Quinn’s been around for five seasons and we haven’t seen that much of Anson yet, but he clearly cares about Carrie and wants her to be okay. That doesn’t make him a new Quinn, but maybe an ally and friend Carrie desperately needs, especially now.

I didn’t like the ending- why the opening credits with Quinn and not only a goodbye from Carrie – hey he saved her life last year- nothing not even a remembering… you could think they were so angry about that protest of the Quinn Fans to show nothing about him not even a farewell!

I didn’t like the ending of the finale for many reasons and for once it was not so much about Quinn’s absence but solely because of what they did with Carrie. That statement coming from me is something because I missed Quinn deeply all season long.

For whatever went south in 2017 and during season six and when Rupert left Homeland, I think (though I don’t agree with all of it) that Alex Gansa, in his very own world, thinks they did honor Quinn a lot. For the first time, we got opening credits focusing solely on Carrie’s state of mind and mental illness (which, in hindsight, told us a LOT about the season from the very first second), and Quinn is in these scenes a lot. Carrie always internalized her emotions–with Quinn and after losing him. 

As the season evolves Quinn is mentioned twice more or less directly, by Carrie’s therapist and by Christine Lonas, and both occasions don’t feel sufficient. But what would feel sufficient and enough?

I think his absence was felt in a lot of scenes, especially in the beginning of the season when Carrie is so lonely and lost that she fell for Dante’s bullshit. And I think it’s exactly what you mention that set Carrie off on her self-chosen mission in the premiere: Quinn died protecting a president who didn’t prove herself worthy of the office and Carrie couldn’t let that stand.

Of course this is not what we as fans of a beloved character hope for. But would we feel better if we saw a grave or a tombstone?

The more time passes, the more I think the window of time to honor the character with any kind of goodbye was last season/year, or at least much earlier in this season, but not in the last episode.

Wow, they really changed things up for this season finale by not killing Quinn again. :D But seriously, I did like that they didn’t kill as many people in this finale. Enjoyed the suspense of the race to the plane and Carrie’s capture. Liked Keane’s speech and the rivalry between Carrie and Yevgeny. The very end was heartbreaking, but at least she’s alive and we know she’ll be on her meds in the next season. For once I’m not grieving after a finale ha!

I agree with a lot of what you say about the episode in general–and yet I felt like I was sitting in the passenger seat of a car during the Russian parts of the episode: The driver keeps hitting the accelerator while the road is blocked and I know he does it deliberately and it will end badly. And as hard as I try to close my eyes and not watch, when we finally crash into the wall I do feel the impact with my whole body.

It’s no secret that I am the one here having a hard time with a lot of Carrie’s choices this season, but right now I am grieving and still shaken to the bones from what happened to her. So, yes, she is alive. But that’s all.

Tell me Quinn is alive…Tell me he will help her somehow….Tell me someone is going to make sure that she is gonna be okay….I just….oh God….why do I even bother watching this show? It only gives us SO MUCH pain :( :( I can’t put Carrie’s face out of my mind… Are u guys okay?

No, we are not. But we are working on getting back on track. I (Frangi) watched this morning and started crying in minute 18 and had to hide in a Starbucks at the train station to be able to go to work after some time.

At this juncture, after the last seconds of the finale, I have no idea how Carrie will come back from this. I just hope she’ll be brought to receive the appropriate treatment and care and will get a chance to heal to whatever degree possible.

Let’s just say Quinn’s will to keep Carrie safe would have interfered with the S7 storyline a lot. So much of what we saw was only possible because he wasn’t there at the beginning of the season.

But the way things played out in Moscow, there wasn’t much anyone could do.

I guess we’ll all need a few days now, and then we’ll have an extra long hiatus to ponder whether Carrie will be okay. My only mantra right now is Gansa saying over and over again that it’s Carrie’s show, so she’ll survive that.

And for season 8 they have the cleanest slate possible now. They can do anything.

Which brings me to your mentioning of Quinn: Quinnspiracy-wise, the episode didn’t rule out that he could be back. And I really really want Carrie to have someone at her side who is there for her for whatever is going to come now. And I don’t even say that as a CQ shipper, I just want her to get a chance to heal.